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kingofattolia · 1 year ago
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fic concept: ACTUALLY sith Obi-Wan where it’s horrible and Anakin realizes how good he has it with regular Obi-Wan
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hiddenbeks · 1 year ago
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carth watching in increasing despair as this random soldier he escaped the endar spire with and who agreed to keeping a "low profile" makes an enemy of tarisian nobility and the local crime lord, loses all their credits in pazaak games, enters a dueling ring with the excuse of regaining the credits but really just wants to blow off some steam, goes to a sith party with the excuse of searching for leads on bastila's whereabouts but really just wants to see how fun the sith are to party with,
#the 'prodigal knight' and 'dreaded sith lord' is also the wildest party-goer in the galaxy babyyyy#the sith are not fun to party with btw. cant hold their liquor and the music choices are mid#this is what ultimately sets liah on the light side path (not really but thats what she tells everyone. half-jokingly.)#also i havent actually lost any credits in pazaak yet. i beat that one guy in the cantina who claims to be the best player around. ha#but like Canonically liah is so bad at pazaak. or maybe its just bad luck. either way she keeps losing but cant stop playing#she simply cannot say no to a challenge. be it card games or duels. i love her#oc: liah#im having a blast w this game but i cant stop thinking abt what it could be if it werent so old n limited by the technology of its time#the quests could have more layers n paths n outcomes......#like what if the sith party was bigger what if you could get absolutely shitfaced n fail to find anything that could help in ur search. lol#instead of just. u walk in to apartment. u briefly talk to guy who invited u. screen fades to black.#everyone except for u is passed out on the floor bc they had too much to drink. u didnt even get a chance to drink.#quest proceeds. loot sith armor for disguise and be on ur merry way. no partying for u.#sigh. kotor remake....... you remain in my dreams........#also disclaimer theres nothing wrong with a game being more linear!!!#not every game has to have the complexities n permutations of modern rpgs!!! sometimes simplicity is better!!!#but im just saying. it would be fun and its fun to think about.#also btw some of the dialogue in this game sounds like its written by a child. its a bit painful at times. but anyway
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nomaishuttle · 2 years ago
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see i wanna talk to u guys more and be fr friends but ihave no clue how to go abr it. 1 on 1 talk terrifies me and i feel like just dming ppl wouldbe weird and even if it wasnt id still be rly scared 2 do it. but i also cant just post like Everybody tlk to me bc wheni see posts like that im like They mean everybody except for me. which is nonsense it says everybody yk... but i get worried nd i feel like others do too. i have a discord server But it scares me so i never talk in there.. this is the devil speaking but i wish still went to school and was just forced to be around ppl thatd be so much easier
#i hope once i get my job Even tho it wont be a social job. hopefully ill get mlre used to being around ppl again..#bc i just. idk. i get viscerally uncomfortable if im in a room with someone yk. bc i start thinking sbt every movement i make#and it makes me feel too big and like im taking up too much space even if im like. on the complete opposite side of the room#im like Oh im annoying them im in their space and it makes me nervous and then i bumble and i bump into things and i knock things over and#its like. nightmarish#thats also what a lot of my nightmares r abt its abt ppl just observing me doing something#but i keep knocking things over and bumping into things and stumbling#and like. i turn to quickly an things fall behind me and then i hsve to turn to see what fell (humiliating)#it feels like when i do my walking on the balls of my feet except that thats a fun autism activity for me#but like. the strain and the stress of all my muscles. it feels like that#where everything is judt stressing and light touching and then i get rly scared Basically#and online i just get terrified of being likee. idk#i hate hate hate being misinterpreted and i need to get over it bc likee. yr gonna be misinterpreted sometimes#sometimes ppl r gonna misunderstand and theyll either ask for clarification or just go sith their beliefs and both of those r FINE#but it like. idk it makes me feel sick knowing that people have an idea of me in their heads that i cant control#like. forreal sick. i hate knowing that i could exist in peoples heads outside of when theyre in mine yk#like if im not actively talking to or thinking abt someone knowing that they could be thinking abt me. nauseous#which is stupid and controlling. i exist and ppl perceive me and thats FINE im allowed to exist snd theyre allowed to think about me#but also it scares me bc idk what theyre thinking and they could be thinking anything. ym#ok anyways irs bedtime sryyy. potatos tmrw#meme imsge DOES ANYONE KNOW IF WE HAVE POTATOS TOMORROW? the answer? yes
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elllteo · 1 month ago
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I haven't gone through most of the gamefreak leaks but I find it odd that people are going bonkers over the typhlosion thing in such a gross way bc like
1) its clearly mythos/lore? Based on concepts they decided not to lean into.
It is Not Canon / Cut Content for a reason - the reason being that was not the direction they wanted to take the series since it is very very very specifically geared towards a teen audience.
Could a teen audience have handled the themes? I would argue yes - but they disagree, and so it was cut.
2) Even if we ignore everything else implied by that story - it is literally not that different from like. Normal furries...??? Like.
The typhlosion was communicating in human speech. It was taking on a humanoid form. It clearly understood humanoid needs and ties and emotions.
The ending directly said that the lesson they learned was that Typhlosion are more humanoid than initially suspected. This is leaning more into the "monster" / yokai aspect of pokemon that has Always been there.
3) These themes are really common in real world mythology in pretty much all places in the world, and they are typically used as teaching moments to warn (in this case...) Young Girls from wandering into the woods alone, lest a predator Of Some Kind take advantage of their isolation.
Another thing I find fascinating is that they didn't really do Away with some of these concepts - they just moved it onto Zoroark (and other pokemon) instead. Many canon pokemon still behave this way, just sith the more adult or worrying themes omitted.
From what I've seen and experienced with Pokemon growing up, there's always been the backbones of something darker and more "grimms tales" underneath. I just don't understand the Disgust and Surprise when realistically, the world has always had a pretty strong undercurrent and ties to Yokai, Demonology, Religion and Monsters - the notion that SOME lean more humanoid than others is the very reason we have a humanoid egg group to begin with, and why ditto, mew two, etc exist.
Also. Like. I get wishing we had more of those dark themes in the games. But us adults who grew up on Pokemon haaavvvree to remember that despite growing up and still loving the game series, us adults...are not their target demographic. At least we DEFINITELY weren't at the time mush of the Typhlosion stuff was being written. Whether we think thats stupid or not doesn't change that.
The changes they made are a direct result of going "okay guys maybe this is a little too much for 10 to 14 year olds..." And that's their narrative choices to make.
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kirnet · 11 months ago
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my modern kotor au no one asked for:
set in and around las vegas, split between rival spice running mobs the revanchists and the mandalorians, the law of the republic, and encroaching group the sith
on top of leading the revanchists revan is also a undefeated street racer (motorcycle helmet = revan mask). they still cut malak's jaw off bc thats very sexy of them
canderous starts out as a mando thug but after having to survive on the run with revan for a bit he and the revanchists establish a working relationship once he takes over
atton is a cardshark / gas station employee trying to avoid detection after defecting from the revanchists
the ebon hawk is a fucked up volkswagon van. license plate EBNHAWK. it is ugly as shit.
T3 is a shih tzu and HK is revan's beloved doberman pinscher
mira is still a bounty hunter. she wears a lot of camo cargo pants
mission is just some kid that revan took a liking to and took under their wing. can't decide if zalbaar is a newfoundland or a full lumberjack human man
juhani is a member of revan's new crew after leaving the city goverment
carth is like. a cop or something. he would be. bastila might also start as one and then get pulled into the life. or she's some psychologist/social worker who is consulting after being entrusted with an amnesiac revan's care
disciple is a history grad student who recently moved into the area and started going to the casinos. actually an undercover republic agent trying to catch them in a sting operation. brianna is a spy sent in by atris, who's part of the city government
visas is a sith assassin thats causing problems for the revanchists and destabilizing them
bao dur. beloved mechanic. used to be part of the revanchist crew but he's since left and mostly spends his time living in the desert and defending the land from developers
goto is also there ig but everyone's too busy for that
kreia is completely unchanged and she still has the force. no one questions that she is the only one operating under star wars rules. she still wants the death of the force and no one understands what that means except for the exile who had a really bad spice trip and now has a harry du bois understanding that theyre in a fictional reality
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greenestkite · 4 months ago
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ok im knee deep in writing for codywan week but i had an idea for a quinlan/obi-wan fic that i will get to eventually (hopefullyyy)
post bandomeer, Obi ends up with the true mandalorians (nebulous reasons, but mostly bc mando Obi-Wan is one of my favourite things) (jaster and the haat’ade are all alive bc i said so and galidraan hasnt happened yet (obi will prevent it from happening off screen))
timeskip to obi being in his mid-late twenties (no war & no sith bc thats too much work) and on some sort of mission type thing
he runs into quinlan (and aayla?) and maybe rescues them from a mission gone wrong and they realize they have basically the same mission so they decide to finish it together
Obi recognizes quinlan right away but doesnt say anything, and quin doesnt recognize obiwan bc obis always wearing his helmet & beskar muffles the force
aayla is 67% sure the random mando who saved/helped them knows quin bc hes kinda gone above and beyond, but she doesnt question it too much (the mando also seems familar to her but barely; (obi used to go with quinlan to visite her in the creche before he left but she was like 3 at the time, so memory is fuzzy))
quinlan is 83% sure he knows the random mando bc they keep like,, cutting themselves off mid sentence, and also stopped quin from touching things with his bare hands which could be a dislike for people touching his stuff but also aayla was picking things up willy-nilly and the mando didnt say anything about that
why doesnt obi say anything to quin? uhhh havent figured that one out yet but something something wasnt good enough to be a jedi and self esteem issues probably
eventually obi has to take off the helmet and quin is like “!!!!! i fuckign KNEW IT” and obi is like, no idea what you mean and absolutely you did not
and they work together to finish the mission
and obi and quin talk about how obiwan left and and all that jazz
and they end up kissing probably (definitely)
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ceaselxss · 8 months ago
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//rebirth talk
Im in Corel, I assume I'm going to the saucer before i do the rest of corel tho like the og. Excited to see the saucer, excited to meet Cait Sith properly and then meet Dyne. I think when I played what i did of the og, Dyne had the most impact.
Im at chapter 7 and i saw there are 14 chapters so i guess I'm halfway through. I know for sure we have Gongaga, Rocket Town and Nibelheim in this game bc Cissnei, Cid and Vincent have been in promos but I don't know how far we'll go, and I don't know how far we'll go before things diverge. So far its pretty same-y which makes me... Nervous. It could very well be going as far as the Temple. But i never got past gongaga so im a lot shakier on what happens in the rest of the og.
The Zack segments are very interesting. It feels like the... Actors of fate can only exist in one timeline; Aerith and Cloud arent able to wake up because they're awake in our main setting? At least thats what i think rn. But the white materia being only in Zack's setting means that the timelines will have to converge.
I know ive seen people disappointed/frustrated with thr ending but ive really got no clue where divergences are going to happen right now
We'll see how we go
Oh and Elena mimicking Reno's speech got my heart shes so fucking cute
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arkhavens · 2 years ago
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a brief intro to my(developed) swtor toons alongside what tma entity they would serve+why
Orion Caesus-Kallig
Mostly human, DS Sith Inquisitor, Lightning Sorc, absolutely batshit crazy mad scientist man i love you<33, scary smart but entirely willing to let people underestimate him in that regard. im hovering somewhere between end, eye, and extinction for him. the end is the obvious one for any inquis tbh, given that its all about both literal and metephorical endings(death, ghosts/spirits, abandonment, silence, etc). Eye as well is incredibly on the nose for any inquisitor, with it being mainly knowledge(knowing+being known, being watched, secrets, etc). Exinction is the most interesting one for him, and the one im leaning towards the most. Considering the inquis is literally remade i think twice over the course of the story, technically being part bug bc of the balmorra mission, and technically being part rakata bc of the mother machine, the whole Massive change/ Something Other thing really fits him. and personally idk why but ive always associated the extinction w/ lightning and smog which is just really fun for a ds lightning sorc
Athanasius(full/actual name pending lol)
Sith Pureblood, LS/Neutral Sith Warrior, allowed himself one(1) moment of insanity[befriending orion], the only one of my swtor characters that is even remotely chill. on a line between hunt and buried for him. on one hand, literally HUNTS down enemies of the empire, and was baras' assassin for the duration of his apprenticeship. on the other, has nearly gotten buried alive so many times, the immense pressure of being unwillingly thrust into the position of Emperor's Wrath. im settling on a mix of both for him but really it could go either way.
Tsali Aluin
Mirialan, DS Jedi Consular, sneaky little cunt, hes so tall so he can fit more horrors inside of himself, evil bastard jedi the beloved<3, has managed to trick the entire council into thinking hes mostly a good person, is ABSOLUTELY NOT, is at a point in his life where hes honestly just seeing exactly how blatantly evil he can be before they notice. web/slaughter 110%. manipulative, a bitch, kills people just to get away with it.
Zalos Kahe
Togruta, Neutral/DS Jedi Knight. had a major fall from grace, wanted to be good So Badly and tried So Hard but being steeped in the darkside and having the literal sith emperor in ur head for 6months leaves a MARK. after that whole Thing™️, he's so So angry at everything, and the council only seems to acknowledge him when They need something of him, and Scourge is right there saying everything he "needs" to hear. mans didnt just fall he lept off a cliff. definitely Desolation/slaughter. The burning rage, everything he lost/had ripped away vs being forced for months to kill and kill and Kill, and then once youve broken free of that control still turning to that violence because with everything stripped away its the one thing thats still familiar.
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kenobussy · 2 years ago
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I love the take that anakin was corrupted by the war or whatever and thats why he became a sith bc he was like so traumatized and Sad. To bffr if the war hadn't started anakin would have been sent in his first solo diplomatic mission and upon arriving would decide he liked one side more than the other (other side clearly being evil bc one of the people in the greeting party didnt smile at him) and after going five minutes without obi wan reassuring him what a special precious boy he is, would have encouraged and participated in an ethnic cleansing. Then he'd go back to coruscant and throw an absolute shitfit when mace says "hey anakin jedi aren't supposed to incite ethnic cleansings" and he'd turn to the dark side anyway bc padme turned him down for a girls weekend.
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tarre-was-right · 23 hours ago
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@professorscrooge:
Additional Propaganda: Satine has raised (or was some kind of parental role to) a nearly model citizen/future politician who wanted to help people, uphold justice, end corruption etc. From what little we see of him, Satine passed her ideals and drive on to Korkie. Jaster trained/traumatised his adopted son into becoming one of the galaxy's biggest war criminals.
@raspberryzingaaa:
#yeah i dont care im still pro jaster lmfao not sorry #listen you also cant actuallu fully judge what their prowess was bc both had circumstances that were being affected by the sith #satine was only allowed to reign for so long because having a weak mandalore was good for palps #also you cant fully decimate a culture and call it ruling. like not even just the armor but everything alse #and its also very hard to tell what is true based on the cartoons bc were all the mandos blue eyed blonde bc of animation reasons? #bc one of the old mando things was adoption and a broad mix of species. #but yeah we cant really/fully tell bc of the sith influences. but imo i think the guy the sith Really didnt want in power might be best #and i am absolutely not a satine hater. i love her and i repect where shes coming from #but also the rep com books were an influential part of my teenage hood (for better or for worse)
(I did promise to share even the arguments that are based in fanon. Sorry.)
@prankprincess123:
#listen - this is quite possibly an actual political debate that (at least part of) mandalore actually had in canon #cause jaster died just a handful of years before satine came to power and was relevant to the circumstances surrounding such #and in an ideal universe youd have the supercomandos and new-mandalorians finding equal ground #and working together to deal with death watch (who ultimately took down both groups and helped blow up the planet) #but jaster is enough of a mess that he was one of the triggers of the civil war that ultimately put satine in charge #and she took this disaster and turned it into a functional government/culture/system and kept it that way for ~20y #and the only reason it didnt stay functional is because *checks notes* the sith decided they dont like her #like how competent of a ruler must you be for the cult thats been trying to destabilize your rule to turn to evil wizards for help #and how much of a widespread force for good must one be to have an evil wizard cult decide that you specifically need to die #satine should win by a landslide
@ironborealis:
#Mereel's reforms were the stepping stones to Satine's succesful rule #But his vision was too small #Satine and Mereel BOTH struggled with corruption inside their ranks #The way she tears off on a speeder to rescue Kenobi in her first episode? #Satine isn't afraid of a fight #she just wants to prevent unnecessary conflicts #some of y'all don't understand the philosophies of nonviolence at all #Satine can be as ruthless as any other Mando #She will not hesitate to fuck someone up #She literally burned a fucking warehouse full of evidence because she wanted to send a message that corruption was not tolerated
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FINALE - You might want to read the propaganda this time. Lots of misinfo in fandom on these two in particular.
Remember, this is NOT about who would win in a fight. This is about who makes the best leader for Mandalore as a whole.
Explanation post
Seeding
Propaganda below the cut! You can submit more on this post and I will reblog it back to here! I was going to keep the text-only bits above the readmore, but we got enough in that it takes up more space than I thought.
Yes, I will even reblog the stuff based on fanon, but I will judge you for it.
SATINE KRYZE
Anon: Satine because she served. Mandalorian fashion week would love her. Manda'slay.
Anon: Satine Propaganda: Was supported by the STRONG MAJORITY, led Mandalore to be in peace for NEARLY 20 YEARS, didn't ban mando'a or armour or any part of the culture like fandom claims, is a good fighter, considered EVERY Mandalorian a Mandalorian and didn't discriminate
@lightsaberwieldingdalek: Satine propaganda: she actually ran a functioning government. Not a mercenary band, or a death cult, or a terrorist extremist organisation, an actual functioning government. Yes there was corruption, corruption she did her best to stop to the point of personally getting in firefights with smugglers, but she took a planet devastated by civil war and by the end of her rule she had schools, public works, and a justice system. - Sure, the rest can run military operations (and we don’t know Satine couldn’t, only that she *won’t*) but can they make the bins get emptied regularly to go to the recycling plants?
@lightsaberwieldingdalek: I understand Jaster has the tacticool appeal, and has the iconic armour, but guys. He did an interpretation of some problematic historical values for the more modern day, led a mercenary band, and under unknown circumstances his group started calling him the historical-cultural title of the ruler of their entire cultural group. I know he’s cool looking, and shoots real good, but at most he’s the equivalent of someone who could be a cult leader but doesn’t want to be. - Meanwhile. Satine. You have issues with her ethical code, and she’s not a cool cause she doesn’t wear the armour. And yet she is the one who *actually ran mandalore*. For 20-ish years, and not only kept it stable but built it up from the ruins of civil war! - Yes yes T-helmet cool and military man competence nice, but that cannot equal taking the ruins of a war torn society and turning it into a mostly peaceful (when terrorism happened it was a big shocking deal, not normalised) urbanised people who eat well, have access to luxury and specialised education (get a offworld Jedi to come lecture) and can ACTUALLY BREATH IN THE ATMOSPHERE RUINED BY ALL THE WARLORDS LIKE JASTER TRYING TO FIGHT THE REPUBLIC TO PROVE THEMSELVES.
Anon: Satine propaganda: she knows what the aftermath of war is like. Jaster knows war from a soldier's perspective, a commander's perspective. But Satine knows it from a noncombatant's perspective. She's seen the aftermath and wreckage it leaves behind. Rebuilding after a war takes far longer and likely costs more than the war itself. I don't think Jaster cares about what happens after the battle. But Satine most certainly does.
@archangelsunited: Efficient and long lasting leader of her faction for years, was able to navigate neutrality with the Republic during the Clone Wars. Excellent Hair pieces.
@publiusmaximum: She allowed her society to experience it's first moment of peace and prosperity in a thousand years. - After she was killed, her society was taken over by fascists and gangsters. In short order Mandalore was razed, made uninhabitable, and her people scattered. - Satine was right about everything.
JASTER MEREEL
Anon: Jaster is the one who should rule Mandalore and all Mandalorians, although he started small he searched to make a new code of conduct for Mandalorian bounty hunters, he tries to keep the culture intact yet keep Mandalore progressive and not stuck in the past and from killing each other.
@spacetime1969: He literally rewrote what it means to be Mandalorian, and he created an entire movement around said philosophy that had a good chance of becoming the controlling party of Mandalore if he hadn't been assassinated. What more do you want?
Anon: Jaster for the win, he's the most recent one who actually knows some shit (as much as I love Din Djarin this poor man doesn't know ANYTHING), besides Jango and Boba but they're both very unstable individuals.
@nerdpickle: Jaster, his philosophy perfectly balanced tradition and reform, keeping the best of both worlds, he was also one of the few people chosen by the people
Mereel is a strong and powerful leader. He defeated the traiter Tor Viszla in battle and even took in a poor, orphaned Concordian child after the battle. No more will Mandalore be forced to consider such petty ideals as peace in order to avoid outright war. Instead, we shall be known throughout the galaxy as the greatest mercenaries the galaxy has ever known. Under his rule, we shall triumph over the foolish savages of planets unconquered and be paid handsomely for it!
Anon: Mereel is a strong and powerful leader. He defeated the traiter Tor Viszla in battle and even took in a poor, orphaned Concordian child after the battle. No more will Mandalore be forced to consider such petty ideals as peace in order to avoid outright war. Instead, we shall be known throughout the galaxy as the greatest mercenaries the galaxy has ever known. Under his rule, we shall triumph over the foolish savages of planets unconquered and be paid handsomely for it!
@archangelsunited: Had a structured document for Mandalorian Culture in the modern (tm) day. He fought with the warriors he sent out and took personal interest in the results of his actions (Jango Fett mentorship). Pissed off Tor Vizla.
@nerdpickle: Satine’s Mandalore was like Switzerland, except without the well trained military, incredibly advantageous terrain, high gun ownership and giant nuclear armed alliance providing a free buffer zone on all sides.
SATINE
@bosooka: Originally here
i wrote way too much for my original draft of this (and it turned into a "fuck jaster mereel" party) so here's an abbreviated version
Why Satine is a Better Ruler Than Jaster in 2 Simple Points
Point #1: Satine actually maintained order on Mandalore for decades
This one is simple. Mereel became Mandalore in ~60BBY and Tor Vizsla tried to overthrow him a mere two years later (and nearly succeeded). He was only in power for six more years before he was betrayed by the very same violent people he allowed to remain by his side because of his belief that a Mandalorian warrior was "merely a highly-paid soldier".
Contrast Satine: ruled from approx. 42BBY until 19BBY, a reign of 23-odd years. For twenty-odd years of her reign New Mandalore was completely peaceful and there were no challengers to her authority among the people or elsewhere. Death Watch only became an issue again when they received Separatist (and ultimately Sith) backing, and Dooku discarded them for being useless. Had Death Watch not allied itself with Maul's Shadow Collective I don't think she would have been overthrown at all.
Point #2: Satine kept Mandalore out of places it didn't belong
As we've established, Mereel had no issues with Mandalorians being mercenaries, used however their clients saw fit. I won't go into the weeds of the ethical implications of mercenaries and why they are illegal under international law on Earth, but in short: letting anyone pay one to kill others is the easiest way to become the cudgel of a fascist. Coincidentally exactly what the Fett clones become when Sidious uses them to exterminate the Jedi. Mereel's "reforms" of the Mandalorian ways did not prevent his troops from getting into a fight they couldn't win against the Jedi on Galidraan (and yes, the Mandalorians shot first:
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not that anyone in the fandom remembers this...) after they but an insurrection down on behalf of the corrupt governor of the planet. To be clear, the True Mandos knew that the governor of Galidraan was corrupt and most likely harboring Tor Vizsla, but they still agreed to kill "insurrectionists" for money. Their problems came when Death Watch arranged to make it look like they had also killed women and children. Truly a war between saints and monsters.
Meanwhile Satine: the head of the Council of Neutral Systems, she refused to take sides in a war pushed by the greedy and violent. Yes, she was briefly protected by clones when it comes to light that Death Watch is aligned with the Separatists, but it was immediately followed by the Republic attempting to militarily occupy Mandalore and Satine risking life and limb to keep her people autonomous. Satine refused to become a useful idiot for warmongers, even knowing that it would have been economically advantageous for her to do so. Unlike Jaster Mereel, she has ideals that she values more than credits. He would have accepted an offer from the highest bidder and turned Mandalore into a machine of war for the Sith, just like his Crusader ancestors once did.
Tl;Dr
Satine was actually respected as an authority on Mandalore for literal decades and was only challenged by a miniscule faction of terrorists who had to get foreigners to interfere in their political processes (FML) in order to actually take power from her
Satine kept Mandalore out of conflicts it did not belong in, which largely protected it from military occupation and destruction until the year she died; Mereel made a career out of interfering in the affairs of other planets if they were paid to do so
Unlike Mereel and his successor, Satine had morals to motivate her decisions that were not the pursuit of cold hard cash, including the protection of Mandalorian independence and neutrality
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pantoranqira · 2 years ago
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Maul's dying words being "he [Luke] will avenge us" vs. Trilla dying words as "avenge us" like BROOOOOOOO
No but like their lives and perspectives as dark side users being so centered around pain and hurting others that OF COURSE their "unfinished business" is for someone else to bring pain unto those who hurt them but NO!
Like Luke isn't about that! He tried to be in avenging his father but it didn't lead to anything other than pain and suffering (his hand, esb reveal) and really realized himself as a person and jedi when he focused on helping people in situations like Maul's and the inquisitors in the form of Vader, etc.
Like he's about HEALING. not about taking out vengeance for those harmed by the dark side but about saving them and helping them change and grow. AND making a better future in so that what happened to them wouldn't happen again!
Because like Luke never "avenged" Maul or any of the others like him. That, while what they believe they want, wouldn't end up bringing them peace, it would just continue the cycle. Honestly I don't think even Vader avenged any of these people. Like MAYBE Maul's spirit could have taken some satisfaction over Vader killing Palpatine but like the Inquisitorious???? Hell nah! Bc like VADER was their monster, not Palpatine (as seen with ppl like Reva)
Just AAAGGGHHH
So like with their dying breath these hurt people who became people who hurt others asked for vengeance, they asked for more violence begetting violence, which of course, would have just led to more pain and suffering for everyone, and more hurt back on them as well. But like Luke stopped the cycle. He changed that by letting it die with Vader and Palpatine, by refusing to continue hurting others in exchange for the hurt done to others. Like something about Luke I think a lot of people (cough, Disney, cough) don't understand is that by the end of RotJ, he's realized his purpose in healing and rebuilding. Like in that movie, the old guard is taken out of the picture, Leia kills Jabba, the Sith take each other out, etc. Like it leaves space for something new in the galaxy, for rebuilding and for new, just, systems to be built in the first place. It's healing, from not just decades, but CENTURIES of abuse and pain.
Revenge isn't what's needed or what people like Maul, Trilla, Reva, and hell, even Barriss (as much as that writing was shit) desire, it's closure, and the ending of the cycle that caused them so much pain in the first place. That's what Luke does.
#god that got long#just some rambles abt twin suns and luke in relation to those dark side users that came before#like he cant avenge all these people because they all hurt each other and were hurt in turn#but what he CAN do is let the hurt end there and keep it from continuing on in that cycle#fuuuuuccckkkk#okay so like also in this episode (sorry just watched twin suns for the 1st time) obi wan calls luke the chosen one which like ?????? what.#kind of came out of nowhere but like okay. anakin brings balance to the force. this is known like this is a known fact like he did that#but EZRA. EZRA asks the holocrons to show him how to destroy the sith. they say twin suns is the answer. tattoine. its the answer to both#questions. bc tattoine has obi wan and it has luke! like luke destroys the sith by ending a cycle of pain and suffering millenia long#like THATS his role in this! which like we've never seen the chosen one prephecy but there is the interpretation that the chosen one will#destroy the sith which like. luke. luke did that#anyways ive always been of the opinion that the ''prophecy'' (which isnt my fave lol but its canon tho so) isnt just about anakin#like its anakin but its also what he brought to the galaxy: its also luke and leia#like anakin>>>>brings balance to the force ig even if its in his scorched earth to build anew methodology or w/ever#luke>>>>destroys the sith by ending the circle of violence#and leia>>>>> brings peace to the galaxy by being awesome and all leia-like. also like w the rebellion and the govt n such#anyways some VERY disorganized ramblings that popped up after watching maul in rebels#meta#sw meta#sw#star wars#long post#darth maul#luke skywalker
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communistkenobi-archive · 4 years ago
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love the idea of the Force being fucked up and evil in some places
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uh-oh-its-bird · 1 year ago
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Hi happy holidays I'm back on my bullshit with this bc I am EATING UP the reblogs actually (this story REFUSES to leave me alone)
NO BECAUSE BABY HAN POKING HIS HEAD OUT OF A VENT AND TRYING TO SELL INFORMATION TO THIS POSH JEDI GUY ONLY TO LATER REALIZE OH MY GOD THATS THE CRAZY DUDE FROM THE DESERT
On one hand I definatley think there's a good argument to be made that Han should know Obi-wan's name, both from Luke, having been around (if very young) during the clone wars, general proximity to Jedi shit later in life, etc.
On the OTHER hand I can totally see Han learning Obi-Wan's name then just overriding it bc "nah that's crazy Ben and that's all you're ever gonna hear me call him"
Willful ignorance if you will
Sorry he only has space in his brain for so much and he's like 40, Ben was forever ago for him. Obi-Wan who??
But anyways YES, give me Obi-Wan being left alone for a brief minute and Han poking his head out of a vent where he's been waiting for his chance to poke at him.
Give me Han having heard a jedi was on world and suddenly remembering oh fuck right the Jedi. That's like. A thing. That I should probably try to take care of.
Give me Han trying to figure out how to do any of """this""" whatever this may be as he argues with the imagined voice of Luke who's giving some speech about saving the jedi and securing a bright future for the galaxy, no pressure or anything.
Ok NOW give me Han running head first into Boba in the vents because Boba also heard there was a jedi on world and also remembered that was a thing he should totally take care of. Only his ""take care of"" is a biiiit different than Han's.
(And maybe he doesn't actually know what he's trying to take care of. Maybe he still isn't sure if he's going to go for a kill or if he just wants to get a look at this jedi. This enemy of his father, the man he knows will cause him heaps of trouble in the future.)
But luckily enough for Boba he doesn't have to think about silly mental spirals and implications of the fact that this might just be the moment he's really able to change the future. About the fact that what he chooses to do in this very moment may well save his father's life or speed along his death. Because how can he think of that when he's suddenly running head first into Han !!!
And Han hisses something along the lines of "what the fuck are you doing here"
To which Boba spits back something like, "fuck you, you don't own the vents"
To which Han snipes back with "Oh so you're just copying me huh?? Couldn't get enough of me kicking your ass in the halls now you're coming to have me beat you up in the vents huh???"
Meanwhile Obi-Wan looks up in concern as loud clanging noises and enraged screaming comes from the ceiling, before two boys tumble out of a vent and onto the floor, practically hissing at eachother with half screamed insults Obi-Wan can barley even catch, let alone understand.
The boys calm down in a few seconds when they reach some sort of stalemate of tangled limbs and realize that oh fuck they have an audience and oh fuck it's the jedi and oh FUCK neither of them have actually decided on that game plan they were agonizing over
So they have a little staring match for a few seconds before Obi-Wan gently prods them with some sort of "well you boys seem to be having fun" or smthn, which seems to be the kick Han needs to start winding up the bullshit clock. He does what he does best, which is to say he invents some shit on the spot. Something something infiltration something something brain chips(?) something something sith.
Honestly Han himself doesn't even know half of what he's saying he's just kind of tossing out buzzwords he half remembers from Luke's distressed drunken rambles about jedi history. It seems to work tho bc he DEFINATLEY has Obi-Wan's attention
(Meanwhile Boba is still undecided on the murder thing but Han being there is distracting enough that he's setting it aside. For now. Ignore the fact that this kid could not take Obi-Wan in a fight and he's delusional for thinking he has a chance at taking him head on. So actually him deciding not to do the murder is very much helping in the self preservation department.)
So, Obi-Wan is very interested in what this kid who clearly knows something and clearly doesn't belong here has to say, but uh oh !!! The long necks are on the way back!!!
Han shouts sometbing about finding him later, or maybe he gives him the squad name of that squad he adopted or smthn. And the boys make a mad dash for the vents, and Han makes it there first and totally does his best to kick Boba in the face while shouting something about finding his own vent. And Boba may or may not attempt to bite his ankle (the world will never know) before hissing "Jedi." at Obi-Wan and clambering into the vent after Han.
The Kaminoan's come in to the vent cover on the floor and there's a moment where they and Obi-Wan just kind of stare at the open vent, soft shuffles and clangs echoing through it as the boys make their escape. And the Kamioan quietly clicks at their com and goes "the child was spotted in work room 36." before apologizing to Obi-Wan for the inconvenience and very much refusing to answer any more questions about Han.
There is no child in the vents of ba sing se oooooo
Anyways, OMEGA INTERLUDE !!!!!
Someone mentioned Han running into Omega and Omega just having no frame of reference for what the fuck any sort of "normal" child is supposed to act like.
Han is doing or saying something super out of pocket as Omega watches enraptured before finally asking if this is what all kids their age are supposed to be like. And Han is torn between going "Oh no no I'm special, I'm not like other boys, you won't find anyone like me ever ;)" and going "Oh yeah I'm so normal don't worry" but like ironically
Actually please let him assure her he's super special and one of a kind only for her to later meet Boba, or maybe one of the clones Han's taken under his wing, and have them do something very Han-like. And Omega is just standing in the corner observing like hmmm. Maybe I'm the weird one and this is just normal. (it is not)
I think one of the absolute funniest options for time travel that lands in the prequels, when it comes to someone from later on having their memories sent to their younger bodies, is specifically Boba and Han.
I want, like, eight-year-old Han conning his way to space specifically so he can hunt out eleven-year-old Boba and kick his ass.
He is not successful in kicking ass. Boba is three years older, physically, and has had extensive Mandalorian battle training. Han is a malnourished street kid who's always gotten by on his cunning, not his fists.
Last week they were both like fifty, and know that the empire is coming up and Sith are happening, and they have vague plans about that, but this Does! Not! Matter! The rivalry comes first! They are here to brawl!
(Alt is that Han shows up screeching like a hellcat on Kamino a year before AotC hits. He's six and Boba is nine, they are biting instead of any kind of proper real fight, and Jango has no idea what's going on. Apparently, this kid is staying because Boba's very, very 'nobody gets to bully him but me' about Han Solo.)
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xbralis · 2 years ago
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no really!! how has season 9 ren and doc dynamic been so overlooked?! I've been going silently insane
ya'll mind if i headcanon emotions that definitely arent meant to be there with my blockmen for a second bc i have THOUGHTS
pov u spend over a year sharing basically everything with a dude including watching him recover from almost being killed by a sith, multiple trips through hyperspace and a whole killer moon cult. so you figure you should give him time to settle on the newest server and do ur own things. only for him to basically never approach you because he ALSO figured u need space and now ur both mutually wondering what u did to get the cold shoulder pov theres a space corporation that needs ur help to save the world and you could definitely draft in your scientist bestie considering how much u went through together last season but like, youre not gonna bother him, he doesn't even want anything to do with your kingdom, let alone your other problems. you can deal with the scifi stuff alone this time, youve done it before.
pov ur best friend is going mad with power halfway across the server and u decide to lowkey join the fight by declaring independence and spitting on the concept of his kingdom, even tho u dont need to bc nothing he's doing is a threat to you. not because u want a reason to interact again, totally not. you're not bitter about being ignored and trying to make yourself the biggest, loudest threat because youre bad at talking.
pov ur hosting business barbeques that look just like the octagon meetings with ur new log business partner and accidentally calling ur base 'rendoc rock' when you first found it. (and ur current base buddy doesnt comment on it cause, like, he gets it, he misses concorp sometimes too.)
so. yknow. thats whats going on in my brain. how are ya'll doing,,
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What part of the Star Wars sequels was your LEAST favorite and what is the thing you would change first in a rewrite
r3ylo. they so very very very badly dropped the ball with their relationship and their characters, specifically ben. oh my god. and listen listen listen, you had PERFECTLY GOOD LEGENDS CONTENT TO RECYCLE RIGHT THERE. i mean b3n solo is already a hodge podge of ben skywalker (luke's son) and jacen solo, so lets just fucking give him jacen's name and reskin rey as jaina solo, jacen's twin sister.
we give jaina rey's kindness, headstrong leadership, and reservation. we make her a little more jaded bc hello, her twin brother left their family and destroyed their uncle's temple to go become a sith lord. that would make anyone a little pessimistic.
we'd follow jaina, who works as part of the resistance under her mother, leia. standard child of divorce stuff: feels like she'll never live up to the expectations of her mother, longs for freedom outside of the diplomatic role she's been assigned, holds her mother to a higher standard than her dad (is it really an ella nancysglock idea if there aren't themes of strained daughterhood & motherhood?) jacen showed force sensitivity from a young age and got whisked off to train w uncle luke while jaina stayed with her mom and learned the politics. (imagine one of our opening scenes being jaina in full diplomatic getup on one of the republic planets, slipping out of a meeting and pulling off her robes, wiping off her makeup. she's just about to jump a balcony to sneak out when she hears a very familiar older female voice say, "you might as well walk out the front door if you're gonna be so obvious about sneaking out." leia. of course.) the first act of ep 7 finds jaina discovering her force-sensitivity. when she goes to find luke in ep 8 (a la rey), there's the added dynamic of "you never knew me as well as my brother" and luke seeing so much of his sister (and han to an extent) in jaina.
rey + ben's soul-bondy thing would be a twin sense thing for jacen and jaina (like what is vaguely established between luke and leia in the ot). luke + jacen would have even clearer narrative parallels (male twin luke brought to the light, male twin jacen brought to the dark). jacen would be a more sympathetic villain bc jaina's draw toward him and care for him are pre-established, as well as the reason their relationship is strained. we'd spend time throughout the trilogy unpacking their complicated dynamic via those soul bond vision communication things that started between r&b in tlj.
now im sure ur thinking, "but ella, one of the best themes of the sequels (which was terribly mishandled) was that you didn't have to be born into a special family to be a hero, that you can choose your family and make a difference no matter who you are!" to that i say: yes. 100%. which is why we're giving finn & poe actual storylines. the other big theme of the sequels is legacy, right. what does it mean to be a skywalker, a solo? thats why we see rey, a nobody, rise to heroism and take on the skywalker name while ben, who was born into the family, fall from grace and struggle with morality (in theory). i think we can do this better though. lets have jaina and jacen BOTH be born into the skywalker family (bc hey, it is the skywalker saga) and watch them struggle with light and dark. lets take that "dark rey" shit from tlj and push it further. lets see jacen seduced by the dark and pulled toward the light because he still cares about his sister. lets see jaina raised in the light and tempted by the freedom of the dark side.
lets also see jaina and finn choose each other as chosen siblings. lets see finn develop a real dynamic with jacen. (finn is a real protagonist in this as well, im just not talking about his role in the story as much in this post. but trust, he is a huge part of the story.) lets see more of leia & poe's mother/son dynamic. lets push those ben/poe parallels further.
tldr. replacing rey & ben with jaina & jacen solo so they're twins now. obviously no romance. finn & poe get bigger storylines and there are much deeper themes about family, chosen AND blood.
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